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How does God interact with this world?

A question that I’m sure bothers everyone at some point in their life. Who hasn’t had a fervent prayer go un-answered, or at least not answered in the way the pious individual was wanting. Does this mean that God is indeed unconcerned with the goings on of humanity? Or perhaps God is teaching us a lesson. Maybe his attention is focused elsewhere. All of these are correct for all we know.

Really, I’ve never come across a verse that definitively says what God’s does with the world on a day-to-day basis. Yes, he sent Jesus, yes Jesus shows God does pay attention, but does he interact anymore. There’s some interesting conversational theology I’ve been hearing about lately, where a group has been discussing the idea that God actually needs humans to accomplish his will here on Earth. Then there’s guys like Piper who believe that God is mechanistically pulling every string like a puppet master in space.

I think the biggest impact on our views of God’s interaction with us is our self-imposed level of need of God. Basically, a person who feels like they need God to help them at every twist and turn more likely feels that God is this mechanistic puppet master. On the other hand you have the self-assured successful businessperson, who doesn’t think they need God, they’re more likely part of this up and out view of God. Where does God actually stand?

It’s a frustrating thing to think about. It gets personal quite fast.

I don’t like the idea of a God who separates himself from humanity. In fact I down right hate it. On the other hand I don’t think that God is a puppet master. Where does that leave me?

Let me preface this next part by saying I am the farthest thing from a scholar. I haven’t extensively studied biblical texts, let alone the Greek/Hebrew manuscripts and the entire nuance of the languages.

Here’s my view on God.

He’s involved in this world. I think he knows, feels, understands, and loves the world. Yet he must hate it at the same time. Not the Driscoll version of God hates you personally, but God hating the evils committed here. In my view God must be involved in this crazy world, otherwise the craziness will just get to be too much. While I don’t think he’s a puppet master, I do think he’s the ultimate ear whisperer. A subtle influencer of men. That’s my ultimate view of God, post the whole miraculous resurrection thing. Sure I think he steps in with some flashy big ways sometimes (read Jesus Freaks), but I think God’s interaction with Humanity is mostly done in secret.

Not “God I lost my keys” and God whispers “check under the left couch cushion,” but this feeling of knowledge we shouldn’t have. Durkheim calls it collective effervescence, Jung calls it Collective unconscious, and Rob Bell calls it God. When there’s something there that we don’t understand but it leads us to act. That’s my view. I think we’ve all felt it, there’s just something that causes us to act in a way that we didn’t think we would. Evangelicals say when they witness (two words I have a large aversion to… evangelize and witness) the right things just come into their head.

I feel like my thoughts on the topic are far from complete, but I needed to etch this out on paper (screen). Thanks for listening.

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  • Ken's point is good. By buddy's three-year-old doesn't understand a whole lot about where his food comes from, or why he's allowed to do some things and not others: but he knows his mom and dad love him, and he knows there are some things he should do and some he shouldn't. Sometimes we just have to trust and obey.

    On the other hand, God created us with inquisitive minds. He created metaphysics as well as the natural world, and he gave us the ability to learn about both. Surely that's part of being created in his image. And that leads to questions: my buddy would be upset if his son didn't ask hard questions, and grow up in his understanding, as a result.
  • ken
    I read a lot of blogs, but rarely post. But every once in awhile I feel like sharing a thought. I guess this is one of those times. I have found that the best way to truly experience God is to obey. I don't mean like; "Thou shalt not smoke or drink strong drink, neither shalt thou not watch 'R' rated movies." If you really want to obey, then listen to Jesus, God's final Word to mankind. He will instruct you to do things bigger than your abilities can handle. We can make (humanly) reasonable arguments and justify our inaction - and we can miss the reality of grace in the process. If you have been touched by God's grace ... if you have been an instrument of God's grace ... you will walk away from the experience changed. Sometimes you don't even walk away, you just go deeper.
  • I've thought about that same idea. I think that God does indeed from time to time suspend the laws that he created, but I don't think it happens to the level that many seem to wish it would. Then you also have to look at the miraculous healing seen in Acts (not done by Jesus is what I'm shooting at) and wonder why that doesn't happen today, or at least we don't believe it does.
    As far as what to do about it, what can one do about God, he doesn't seem to want to be wholly revealed to us (at least not in this place) in any way that even nears satisfaction.

    On a humorous note, I did come across and skim the back cover of "The God Delusion" about an hour after putting up that post. I thought about getting it, but the book shelf is getting to heavy with unread works.
  • Yes; who hasn't contemplated these things and decided they're very very deep.

    In between all of the rather shallow nonsense in Dawkins' "The God Delusion", I was rather struck by a point where he describes prayer as millions of believers asking God to suspend the laws of nature, to satisfy their whims. I don't have the exact quote, as I am away from home right now. It did strike a chord: if we believe that God answers prayers every day, I guess we have to believe that the laws of nature are far from immutable, being broken by him on rather a regular basis. I find that somewhat unsatisfactory. But I don't know what to do about it.
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